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That's a nice idea
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berockly (TTG)
Id say lucid dreaming is the easiest way for thus
My host and I have been trying to do that for the longest time. We get close but to no avail.
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae
you could have a magic door or something that takes you to wherever you want
I have my closet that does that
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I'm not sure if I should read, or watch videos with Mallory, it's my first day, so she hasn't shown signs of answering, not sure what she would prefer, what is better for development?
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Luminesce: Any activity at all that lends itself to focusing on your tulpa in any way, really. "Focusing on" primarily in the sense of focusing on them as an independent entity, not necessarily just thinking about the idea of them. (EG reading stories of a character your tulpa is based on is barely helpful, while talking directly to your tulpa about something you're reading is very helpful) (edited)
3:23 AM
Everything contributes, but the biggest helps to tulpa development are things that specifically involve focusing on their sense of presence.
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I was leaning more towards reading them what I like to read, actively refering to them.
3:24 AM
But what I like to read is pretty weird so I wasn't sure >.<
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Yeah, narration is a tulpa technique as old as time.
3:24 AM
It should be fine, even if it's not their eventual preference, they still share a brain with you so they'll at least get it, you know?
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I read male self insert fan fiction...
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Luminesce: Well lol, the point I made was it's not about what you read or talk about, it's about having a conduit for focusing on your tulpa. (edited)
3:25 AM
And then when they're more clearly vocal they can tell you what they like and don't like.
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Well, I guess I'll keep doing what I do regularly but focusing on her, telling her what I'm doing and why I like it maybe, I hope she doesnt mind me explaining hours of chess to her lmao
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 4/16/2023 3:29 AM
Honestly, I get bored if I'm not listening to something, so I personally wouldn't mind someone talking to me for hours without needing to respond.
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I've noticed something today, it's a small thing but I just noticed.
3:30 AM
Usually music always plays in my mind at a decent volume
3:30 AM
Today, it was a bit lower, less annoying and more like ambience? I dunno how to explain it
3:31 AM
Feels nice though, helped clear my mind and to talk to Mallory
3:32 AM
You know, when months ago I joined this, I didn't expect to feel this weird when actually starting the process
3:32 AM
I expected to feel nothing at all for the first week
3:33 AM
But somehow, I feel like she is here, with me, hard to explain.
3:33 AM
Could be explained by saying I feel a bit heavier, but that wouldn't describe it perfectly.
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 4/16/2023 3:35 AM
No, I understand.
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Is that normal? Or am I just tricking myself? I do feel like it's real
3:37 AM
The pressure in my chest got a bit heavier when I typed that lol
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Luminesce: What's "normal" isn't so important, since believing you're making progress is a self-fulfilling prophecy that actually promotes progress. (edited)
3:38 AM
It's been "normal" in the past for people to frequently doubt and stifle their progress lol, but there's no reason to try and match that
3:38 AM
If we can keep increasing the tulpamancy success rate, that's great
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So I should stop worrying altogether, if I think it's progress, it's because it's progress
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("Failure" being getting stuck doubting forever and never creating a tulpa)
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Well, I was skeptical until I began the process
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~Moonlight~
So I should stop worrying altogether, if I think it's progress, it's because it's progress
One moment, I can find a better/bigger response to that from searching real quick than by writing it again
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As soon as I began I started to feel things.
3:41 AM
Which basically cleared my mind of any doubts, this isn't anything like when I talk to fictional characters in my mind stories
3:42 AM
I also haven't parroted at all, which makes me proud, I don't want to influence anything by parroting.
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 4/16/2023 3:42 AM
Don't worry about parroting.
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Luminesce: Hmm, there wasn't as much writing on that specific thing as I thought (edited)
3:43 AM
Relevant part -
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It would just feel weird, since I make my own mind stories
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Whole discussion though (focuses on "intrusive thoughts" and "parroting"): https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431895651266330644/1086825815003635722 (edited)
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On the topic of intrusive thoughts, I hadn't noticed, but Ive been having a lot less lately, and today only twice or thrice
3:49 AM
Honestly, since I actively tried to be better to actually make a tulpa, my negative went down by a bunch, three months ago when I initially heard of tulpas, I had at least 20 intrusive thoughts per day, and was much worse in other areas, but I tried fixing myself to be able to have a healthy mind for someone else
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3:50 AM
Although today people told me I'm worrying too much about my tulpa and I should worry about myself
3:51 AM
If it isn't too much of a bother, I'd appreciate if you checked tulpa discussion earlier today to give me your thoughts luminesce
3:52 AM
(I don't know how to link earlier conversations like you do)
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right click
4:01 AM
Luminesce: I didn't know exactly what to say that others didn't, there (edited)
4:01 AM
Tulpas becoming more independent is basically the entire goal of tulpa development, so
4:02 AM
Eventually you shouldn't feel like you're "controlling" or "speaking for" your tulpa at all, that's the main goal of the tulpa development process.
4:03 AM
I would say probably most systems still rely on the active fronter to think of a headmate to "make them active", so there is that, though if you specifically dislike that, it is possible to train your tulpas to become active more often on their own.
4:03 AM
That's a skill most people don't attain just for lack of trying, I'd say.
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Wait, so it is possible to do?
4:12 AM
Well, I should concentrate on current time, I need to stop overthinking the future lol, so I will make a plan as I advance, but it would be really cool if Mallory could be active by herself.
4:13 AM
Thank you for helping me out, I will go to sleep now as it's pretty late, good night 🌙!
4:14 AM
I will see my progress tomorrow and come back to ask more lol.
4:17 AM
Ah actually, I'll stay awake a bit more.
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Reisen
Luminesce: Any activity at all that lends itself to focusing on your tulpa in any way, really. "Focusing on" primarily in the sense of focusing on them as an independent entity, not necessarily just thinking about the idea of them. (EG reading stories of a character your tulpa is based on is barely helpful, while talking directly to your tulpa about something you're reading is very helpful) (edited)
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/16/2023 5:57 AM
To me the most difficult part of tulpamancy is to know how someone would behave, i believe in that regard reading a story about a character your tulpa is based off could be much more helpful that talking to them. Of course you then have to let them act that way for it to get cemented. (Probably by talking to them or wonderlanding) (edited)
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Luminesce: That's why I said "is barely helpful" and not "isn't helpful", it's basically light personality forcing (edited)
5:59 AM
But that doesn't necessarily target the core tulpamancy "muscle"
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/16/2023 5:59 AM
Well, i think it CAN be very helpful depending on what you struggle with.
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Yeah, personality forcing is helpful for some people, while others scorn it
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Reisen
But that doesn't necessarily target the core tulpamancy "muscle"
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/16/2023 6:00 AM
Yeah, i agree, but you could get stuck not being able to target that muscle because you dont know how your tulpa would behave.
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Luminesce: I said that because some people get the wrong impression and think a tulpa will just spontaneously pop up one day if they do things like "read to their tulpa" but without holding any actual focus on/intent for their tulpa to be there listening (and maybe wanting to respond) (edited)
6:01 AM
That's what the original point of the term "Passive forcing" was made for, to vaguely designate certain activities as "Slightly helpful, but not enough on their own" (For early tulpa development anyway, established systems are fine just doing "passive"-type activities from then on) (edited)
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Reisen
Yeah, personality forcing is helpful for some people, while others scorn it
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/16/2023 6:01 AM
Well, i actually dont do personality forcing, so i did never have to think of how they would act. (Destin had a personality concept, but we could already play that concept before he was made)
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Well, the character I'm basing Mallory off has a pretty basic personality, and it's not like there is a lot of material about her, only about 2hrs worth, so I don't think it would help much.
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/16/2023 4:24 PM
2h is a crazy ammount of material to model how someone would behave
4:24 PM
unless they are trapped in a basement tied to a wall the whole 2h of course
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 4/16/2023 4:37 PM
sounds like you have a foundation
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Well, for half of the content the interaction between the character and the main character is negative
5:02 PM
The game is pretty obscure, it's set in a world with a deadly virus.
5:02 PM
And well, she only survives in one ending.
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 4/16/2023 5:16 PM
negative?
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As in, the main character being an asshole
5:17 PM
Or the character she is based on getting sick with that virus and dying
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 4/16/2023 5:17 PM
don't you think it would be nicer to have a more optimistic base lol
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The character is extremely optimistic
5:18 PM
Even when about to die
5:20 PM
If you didn't realize it from all my previous messages, I'm mostly a pessimist
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 4/16/2023 5:20 PM
why are you enabling your pessimism
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Having someone who can see the bright side of things is what I need, and I couldn't find a bette character
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
why are you enabling your pessimism
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/16/2023 5:24 PM
I disabled it on brain bios after a bad day
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For now, I'm trying to bond over things like chess and my art
6:09 PM
I'm not very good at either but it helps to have something to talk about lol
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/16/2023 6:24 PM
@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk imagine living on AI utopia and one day the server crashes? who is fixing that? Im joking of course, i dont think the AI would be stupid enough to allow a single point of failure lol.
6:24 PM
But it would be funny
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 4/16/2023 6:33 PM
all you need is a strong enough solar flare
6:34 PM
but even now without AI our civilisation could fall with a strong enough solar flare
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 4/16/2023 6:34 PM
would it actually destroy every electronic device?
6:35 PM
We can just bury and decentralize AI servers right?
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 4/16/2023 6:37 PM
#lounge
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How can my host play a game in my wonderland without thinking too hard?
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How stong is their visualization skills, and what do they want to play?
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His visualization is...ok? We want to play board games together.
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It may be better to play the board game irl? (edited)
3:01 AM
Unless you have extremely good visualization and memory, that would be pretty hard to do in wonderland
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Ya, I know. Just wondering if there was an easier way, in wonderland I mean.
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It would probably have to be a very simple game, unless you're writing down details about the game in outerworld to keep track.
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 4/19/2023 3:03 AM
I forgot to proxy. This is me speaking.
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